More NAR B.S.
March 26, 2008 – 8:01 amHouse prices continue to slide nationwide, according to the latest Case-Shiller data.
But the National Association of Realtors can’t help itself, trying their best to put a smiley face on the implosion of the housing market:
The headline read, “Existing Home Sales Rise in February”, but the real story in yesterday’s existing home sales report from the National Association of Realtors was four short paragraphs in:The national median existing-home price for all housing types was $195,900 in February, down 8.2 percent from a year earlier when the median was $213,500.
For more on the NAR’s release, that article is here. Comparisons are best made against the same month a year ago. Sure sales were up a bit Jan to Feb, but take a look at this Feb vs. last Feb:
Inventory is still sky high. If more people are selling than buying, prices have to fall for the market to return to equilibrium. This is bad for lenders and buyers who got involved at the top, but good for first-time homeowners who’ve been priced out of the market.
Continuing on my theme NAR Propaganda, I thought I’d post some highlights of an exchange that happened in the comments section of my post two days ago. A gentleman “in the mortgage and real estate industry” said, among other things, this:
JR…future appreciation is not an opinion…the fact is that over the past 40+ years housing has appreciated around 6.5% according to OFHEO….In our area, according to OFHEO stats, we gainded 78% in value on the past 5 years, and gave back 3.8% last year…these are facts…not guesses.
Next fact is the rule of 7’s … 7 years on a job….7 years in a marriage…7 years in a home….these are norms.
Those who bought a home in the 2001-2002 recession did very well…their 7 years is up this year or next. Those who bought on 2006, their 7 years is up in 2013.
There is no evidence that they will not achieve a positive yield on their home onwership experience.
As for the mortgage credit stranglehold currently exacerbating the housing market, this same knee-jeck reaction took place the late 80’s-early 90’s problems, when lending abandoned the market place. Had we maintained a more stable attitude towards lending, our problems would be greatly reduced.
I have a client on the phone right now. His income is about to be cut by his employer…he works in a stone quarry and has had this job for 10+ years. His hours are getting cut 25%….next month..
Is this a housing problem or an income problem?
I felt compelled to answer this gentleman, “johnp”, b/c as a real estate professional he seems to be following the NAR’s lead: trying to figure out ways to convince people to buy homes in a market that clearly says it would be prudent to wait.
An income problem? Sure it is: house prices grew far faster than median income over the last eight years, which is why those prices are too high and have to fall. Thanks for making my point for me johnp!
But I have a bigger beef with realtors conveniently obfuscating the present and asking people to look at the “long-term.” Here was my reply (with a few edits):
johnp continues to rely on “long-term” results. And his argument that 40 years of data prove his point is specious because, as I said in my comment above, we are in the midst of a housing decline of unprecedented proportion. Many reasonable observers are saying we haven’t faced a housing collapse of these proportions since the Great Depression. By definition, I think an “unprecedented” event is hard to fit into a box using “historical” data.Again, let me reiterate the core of my argument. Buying a home isn’t necessarily a bad idea. Buying a home NOW is a bad idea–unless you can get a big discount on the market price.
Johnp notes in his first post above that he works “in the mortgage and RE industries.”
It’s funny, the similarities between real estate professionals and investment professionals. Having spent a few years in the investment profession, I can speak for that one. People listen to investment pros when they say you have to “stay invested for the long-term” because you “can’t beat the market.” These folks are often proponents of the “buy and hold” strategy…..for two reasons:
1. unfortunately, they don’t do a lot of real work to determine which stocks are actually a good value. Like johnp’s rule on housing, a stock probably will go up if you hold onto it long enough…..that doesn’t mean you bought it at a good price.
But perhaps more importanly,
2. they ONLY GET PAID if you “stay in the market.” Investment pros typically get paid fees based on the level of assets under their management. Therefore they have an incentive to keep you invested at all times.
Because the bottom line is that investment “pros” are actually SALESMAN. They get paid to sell you something, a stock or a mutual fund….making you money is also important, but SECONDARY.
I suspect things are similar with real estate and mortgage professionals like johnp, who only get paid when house sales and loans actually close. These people are salesman. They’re out to make THEMSELVES money, not you. So when common sense says now is CLEARLY NOT a good time to buy, they have to fall back on sophistries like relying on the “long-term.”
I would certainly grant you that you CAN make money in the stock market or in housing if you hold on for the long-term. But to MAXIMIZE your gains and to AVOID losses, first you have to buy assets (a stock or a house) at a good price.
Look at two investors who have been ridiculously successful, Warren Buffett in stocks and Sam Zell in real estate. Sam Zell (aka Saltator Sepulcri, Latin for “grave dancer”) has made billions largely by buying AT THE RIGHT TIME. Same story with Warren Buffett, he would be the first to tell you that you only buy assets you’re comfortable owning over the long-term. But before that, he would say you have to buy that asset at a discount to its true value.
Most of you would say, well you have to have some kind of special brilliance to be a Warren Buffett or a Sam Zell. Yes and no.
These guys are famous for relying on simple common sense to make many of their investment decisions. Indeed common sense, combined with a measure of fortitude to ignore the stampeding masses, is often enough to keep people from buying at the wrong moment.
Who among you didn’t KNOW deep down that real estate was starting to get ridiculously overvalued back as early as 2004? You just have to stick to your conviction for the (seemingly interminable) period before which prices finally return to common sense levels.
Same story with tech/telecom stocks circa 1997-1998. Wasn’t it hard to stay on the sidelines while fortunes were being made in 1999 and 2000, before the crash that you KNEW would come finally did?
The people that lost fortunes were the ones that kept drinking the kool-aid.
Buying and holding CAN BE a good strategy. But first you have to mix a little common sense into the buying part of the equation.
So, dear reader, I say to you ignore real estate/mortgage “professionals” who say you have to buy now. Your common sense is a better guide to smart investing, whether in the stock market or real estate.
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2 Responses to “More NAR B.S.”
LOL, I really like this part: “7 years on a job….7 years in a marriage…7 years in a home….these are norm.”
People are changing jobs at an ever-increasing rate. 7 years? Not likely, in the corporate world at least.
And I love the pessimism of spending just 7 years in a marriage. True or not, it’s just sad.
By Rachel on Mar 26, 2008
Rachel….you may not like the statistical facts, but they are what they are…facts are facts…deal with them, sad as they may be…
Anyway, to all, I have come back to follow up on the thread. “More NAR BS” is really not an accurate lebel, as I beleive my knowldge-base and experience factor go well beyond NAR. Yes, I am a member of NAR. But I have also been a mortgage lender, a title S&L officer, an underwriter and a licnesed appraiser. And, I read a lot.
The focus of my posts is two-fold: (1) To corrent the record with facts; and (2)To state my opinions to the group for reasonded consideration and comment. Basically, I want to help the discussion.
First, imagine a large stadium setting, such as the Rose Bowl. Next, imaging the person sitting in the most distant seat is announcing on the game for one of the media companies covering the event, with his color analyst. Lastly, imaging they are all near sighted and suffering from myopia. Something tells me that “call” will be problematic.
This is how I view much of the commentary on the current situation in mortgage lending and real estate. Many commentators, too far from the playing field, viewing the blur as it were, and making simplistic comments and rendering poorly supported criticisms about a very real situation…and missing much of the game.
I do work on Main Street, in the mortgage and real estate industries. I sit with home buyer prospects, and have since the late 70’s, and discuss with them on the whys and wherefores of the transition from tenancy to home ownership. Or, I meet with existing homeowners and discuss refinance and debt restructuring choices. I hear the details of their situations, the realities of the lives and explain options currently available. Like the infamous Jim Cramer rant…”they just don’t get it” …he was right…THEY don’t get it! THEY being the folks in the cheap seats.
It is my view that, if a homeowners income is at or above the level it was when they purchased their home, or last financed their home, then all is probably ok. It is my view that, of those who are in trouble, the vast majority (in the high 90% range) have suffered significant income discounts of 30% or more…and that is not a story I ever hear. This is not a subprime, ARM reset, 100% LTV problem…it’s not a housing problem. It’s really the economy, and about household income, and negative changes taking place.
As I see it, housing is a victim, not the culprit. The real culprit is not the free market…it’s radical, poorly formulated , market manipulation. Were there some housing issues developing…assuredly, YES. Had the response been more measured and responsible, would the issues have developed to the point we are at today…most assuredly, NO.
Case examples:
Case #1: I had a Hispanic client who was working as a roofer. He was grossing about $7,000 per month is 2005, according to his paystubs. He did not possess a green card, but his sister did. So, she bought a house as a second home. She did not need th3e property…or want it…or intend to pay for it. It was the brothers plan to pay for the house, and to eventually correct his legal status. Today, with the construction downturn, his income is $3,000, and Arizona has its Employer Sanctions Law, which is making employment difficult. Is this a sub-prime problem or an income problem.
Case # 2: Client and his wife buy a home in 2006 with a conforming, 100% LTV, fixed rate loan. He delivers rock and decorative stone. Today, with the construction downturn, he no longer has a job. They may leave their $1,100 payment, for a $900 rental, in part because they can save on fuel prices as their home is 20 miles (one way…80 mile per day for both) from their new jobs. Is this a 100% LTV problem or an income problem.
Case #3: Retired teacher and his teacher wife build a new luxury home. They gross over $100,000 with his retirement, his income from a second teaching job with the University of Phoenix, his wife’s income and payment from the State of Arizona for children he adopted. After 12 years with the UoP, his $25,000 job was cut and now they are in trouble. Their current loan is a 5/1 ARM, with 2 years until reset…unfortunately he will lose the home before then…by sale or foreclosure. Is this a reset problem???
I have more case studies from my closed files like these, but you can see the trend developing.
In 2005, the FIDC did a study entitled “Boom Does Not Always Follow Bust. The conclusions of the study were that, after price run-ups, prices stagnate, rather than burst, unless there is a severe economic reversal (like in Detroit…like in the construction industry…like what may be developing right now) or an event like Katrina. In most case, the housing market stagnates until income growth regenerates…then housing prices take off again. The study was done in 2005, so none of the radical reversals in lending practices and guidelines were included in their model. Just like homebuyers and borrowers, they looked the current playing field, the “rules of the game” so to speak, and made a buying/borrowing decision. Would their decision be the same if they had the benefit of knowing “today’s playing field” …but that is hind sight.
With proper management of the mortgage markets during this transition to stagnation by the highly paid, but myopic rulers of the GSE’s, Wall Street and the major lenders, we could have avoided all of this current mess. The mortgage industry spent 7 years, or so, developing guidelines and then spent 7 months, or so, undoing it all. Had we amortized our way back to a more reasoned approach to lending, we would have not have the “shock and awe” problem we are now faced with.
How does housing impact the economy? Robert Shiller, he of index fame, did a paper in 2006 which compared the impact of increases in stock market prices and increase in housing prices on consumption in the general economy…this study was multi-national. It concluded that stock market increases had no correlated impact on the consumption in the economy. He did, however, conclude that housing had a strong correlation to consumption in the economy. Shiller concluded that a 10% growth in housing prices had a 1.1% increase in consumption patterns in the economies he studied. Which begs the question, ”What will a 10%-20%, or greater, downturn in housing values do to consumption and the general economy?” When housing works, it seems, the general economy works well. When you crush housing, and believe me, for some reason housing is being crushed…nothing in the economy will work.
This snowball is out of control now, in part due to an artificially magnified downturn in the real estate and mortgage markets, which is the result of an inadequate understanding of the various dynamics involved by those highly paid individuals, and pundits in the cheap seats. The
The old saying, “whether you rent or own, you pay for the space you occupy” really applies now…everyone will suffer, renters and homeowners alike, in some manner, in some degree. ALL homes will go down in value…all interest rates will be affected…all participants in the economy will suffer. ALL! So why all of the negative and angst driven posts regarding housing…we all should want housing to work and work well.
Market timing…when to cross the line and make a buying decision, is really personal It is not necessarily math driven as far as prices go, or interest rates for that matter. The concept of low versus high counts to a degree. There are also intrinsic considerations. The need or desire to own a home, the capacity to actually accomplish the purchase , and confidence in the future . These considerations are as critical as is the math.
Real estate is not a slide rule industry… the process is not that precise. Warren Buffet, referenced above, only has to be right once a year, or so, he says, when describing his investment process. He has a long term vision, like homebuyers. Homebuyers have to be right once, too, and wait for seven years…the average term of ownership. But, being right is more than just about the price…
By JohnP on Apr 3, 2008